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MAC Announces 2010 Football Game Times

by admin on June 15, 2010

in Football

Here is Kent State's full football schedule:

Sept. 2 (Thursday), 7:00 p.m.—-Kent State vs. Murray State

Sept. 11, 3:30 p.m. on ESPNU—-Kent State at Boston College

Sept. 18, 12:00 p.m. on ESPN or ESPN2—-Kent State at Penn State

Oct. 2, 1:00 p.m.—-Kent State at Miami

Oct. 9 (Homecoming), 3:30 p.m.—-Kent State vs. Akron

Oct. 16, 7:00 p.m.—-Kent State at Toledo

Oct. 23, 3:30 p.m.—-Kent State at Bowling Green

Oct. 30, 2:00 p.m.—-Kent State vs. Ball State

Nov. 6, 2:00 p.m.—-Kent State vs. Temple

Nov. 13, 2:00 p.m.—-Kent State vs. Army

Nov. 20, 2:00 p.m.—-Kent State at Western Michigan

Nov. 26 (Friday), 2:00 p.m. on ESPNU/ESPN3.com—-Kent State vs. Ohio

{ 17 comments… read them below or add one }

Lets go BUCKS! June 15, 2010 at 9:25 pm

Kent should drop to FCS. They would save a ton of money and they could focus more on academics and small budget sports. They could keep the rest of their programs D1 and basketball would get more money. That would make more sense for you guys considering basketball has brought much more notoriety to your school than football ever has.

Not to mention you would get to compete for an actual national championship. You don't understand how much I envy that.

Fred June 15, 2010 at 10:37 pm

Leave to a Bucknut to set the record straight…..NOT! Kent should stay D-1 in football. If you think KSU will ever win a basketball national championship you`re loonier than I thought. Kent will be a strong mid-major and will be able to compete favorably with other D-1 major programs. But a national championship? Stick with Ohio State my man. Go Flashes!

Lets go BUCKS! June 16, 2010 at 11:51 am

Fred, let's look at things from a budgetary aspect.

With a football budget of around 4 million, Kent State has the second smallest football budget in the MAC(Bowling Green has the smallest). They also have quite possibly the worst stadium in the conference and no indoor practice facility. The recent "upgrades" to Dix decreased the stadium size down significantly. And unlike BG, Kent has no recent history of winning. I also find it interesting that your new AD's biggest achievement was helping USD make the move to FCS.

The Ohio public education system is about to hit tough times(yes, the worst is ahead). Drastic cuts to most liberal arts departments are coming. Ohio State and the other research U's(Cincy, Toledo, Akron) will probably be able to keep their football teams in FBS. I really wonder about schools like BG and Kent. Their football budgets already suggests they don't care much for football and both schools are heavily dependent upon the liberal arts.

It would not surprise me one bit if Kent made the drop. And besides a few hardcore fans, I would think most Kent fans would appreciate the drop. Kent State will finally have a chance to compete and quite possibly have a successful program.

I know I'm going to get heat from a few of you for this, but your president would be a very smart man for doing this. Kent State should be academics first.

Fred June 16, 2010 at 10:48 pm

Go Bucks, stop looking at everyone else and comparing them to OSU. First, Dix isn`t all that bad with the recent improvements. Second, a small budget doesn`t mean you have to drop down to FCS. Thirdly, I also find it interesting that Kent`s new AD oversaw SD`s move FROM FCS to D-1!!! Fourthly, KSU was named ResearchUniversity II by the Carnegie Foundation in 1994. It is now classified as a Research/Doctoral – Extensive, one of only about 60 in the U.S. You really don`t think that Toledo and Akron aren`t liberal arts colleges? You might want to check again. So, you aren`t going to get heat from me, but what you will get is some advice to know what you`re talking about before posting inaccurate information. BTW, Kent seems to be competing very well in athletics. Check out the top programs in the MAC and at NACDA.com. Go Flashes!!!

Lets go BUCKS! June 17, 2010 at 12:25 am

Fred,

First of all I didn't say Dix was that bad. I said it was quite possibly the worst in the MAC. You can interpret that however you please. I also acknowledged the upgrades. Those same upgrades may have improved the aesthetics of the stadium, but they still drastically reduced seating. Maybe that means nothing, but it gives a hint as to where the program MIGHT be headed.

Im rather bored, so I'll break you post down point-by-point.

1.)You are right. A small budget does not mean you MUST drop to FCS. It does, however, mean that the university is not heavily focusing on that sport right now. Honestly, I can't blame them. These are tough economic times and a University should focus on academics first, as Kent appears to be doing. I might also mention that Kent also has the smallest overall athletic budget in the MAC. Once again, this means nothing, except that sports are not a major priority right now. Hence, it would not surprise me if your president made the decision to move to FCS. Your school would cut costs significantly in the process.

2) Yes Fred, D1. As in D1-AA. FCS. He helped them move from DII to FCS. Once again, perhaps it means nothing, but I still find it interesting given our current discussion.

3)Fred, I have all the respect for Kent State's academics. Kent and BG were the original normal schools in Ohio. Schools like Akron and Toledo don't have the same level of undergraduate selectivity. However, I was basing my presumption upon the designations given by the Ohio regents. UC, Toledo, and Akron are three of the 'research universities'(there are quite a few more, but based upon location and size I believe only the three aforementioned schools will remain real, relevant 'research' schools). These schools have a strong history in engineering, health, and most importantly, research. They have very little history in the liberal arts. Whereas both Kent and Bowling Green have a strong history(and dependence upon) the liberal arts. In no way did I refer to Kent as a 'liberal arts college' (not that that's even much of an insult). I just know that a large portion of your students study in those areas. So why does this matter? I happen to know some people who work in higher education who tell me that big cuts are coming and the liberal arts departments will be the first to bleed. You're going to see retiring faculty members leave without a replacement and drastic decrease in funds. Those schools who are most dependent on those majors for students will be hit the hardest.

3) Yes, Kent is doing very well in every sport except football. That's why it would make perfect sense to drop down to FCS. Kent state would save money and would likely become more competitive(which could in turn lead to donations…). And at the same time every other sport can remain division one and continue it's current success. It's a win-win.

I understand your opposition. But I will say that I've talked with multiple friends of mine who are Kent grads about this very topic. When I asked them their opinion of Kent moving to FCS, they claimed that they would begin supporting their school monetarily if they ever did so. When I asked them why, they claimed that they feel Kent has no chance at succeeding that FBS level. They feel that the move to FCS would give them a more even playing field. I might also mention that these are very well off individuals with enough money to more than help the university.

Time will tell…

Lets go BUCKS! June 17, 2010 at 12:27 am

Correction, Kent has the second smallest overall athletic budget in the MAC. Bowling Green has the smallest.

blain kisling June 17, 2010 at 1:12 am

KSU does in fact have an indoor practice facility. It's been around a long time. One of the 1st in the MAC. It has a full 100 yard football field inside it. It's right next door to Dix stadium!

Fred June 17, 2010 at 9:30 am

Go Bucks, Before Kennedy left he made a point of improving the football program. I know one year does not a program make but the last time I checked Kent had a much better record last year than Akron. While dropping to FCS MAY not be a bad idea there many MAC schools that are in that same boat. I believe Kent and all the MAC schools should remain D-1. With the possible development of "super conferences" where large schools get richer, the MAC may look at going to DII. If Kent does have the second smallest overall athletic budget then KSU has done a remarkable job of continually having the BEST PERFORMING athletic department in the MAC and among the best in the nation.
Blain is correct, Kent has had an indoor practice facility FOR YEARS.
I`m not questioning Kent State`s liberal arts backround. However, when the Carnegie Foundation ranks KSU in the top 80 of all public research universities in the U.S., I`ll take it.

Let's go BUCKS! June 17, 2010 at 12:35 pm

Blain,

Thanks for the info. Apologies for the mix up.

@ Fred

I'm not going to comment on Kent's academics. I have made my point and it's not my place to go any further in that respect.

Sadly, FBS(more so BCS) football has become nothing more than a money machine. It's refreshing to see schools like those competing in the MAC do what they do with the resources they have. Regardless, money is still the driver– even in the MAC. And you are correct, every MAC school is more or less in the same position as Kent. The big variable here is university support. Some MAC presidents have shown high interest in FBS football while others have essentially sat back and allowed the status quo to resume. Recent Facility upgrades and football budgets are a very strong indicator of how serious a school is about division 1 football.

As bad as Akron football has been(and is) they still have a president who has pumped money into their football program. I would be very surprised if they make the move to FCS. That's all that it comes down to–money. I'm not sure how I feel about Akron putting so much emphasis on football. In their defense, they are located in a large city so there is some marketing opportunity there.

Either way, I think Kent's mindset should be: let Akron mess around with FBS football, we will focus on our academics. I think BG should do the same with Toledo. It's simply not feasible to have over seven FBS football teams in one state. Especially a state with a slow growth rate like Ohio.

cfoflash99 June 18, 2010 at 3:27 pm

If Kent had been able to put up a couple of 8 win seasons and bowl appearances in the past few years, we wouldn't be having his discussion. An obvious statement, but it's worth making, because we have had the talent to achieve this. We have just been our own worst enemy and ended up losing games we should have won. In the last 2 seasons, the difference between us winning the MAC East and finishing middle of the pack has been missed FGs and a couple of last second losses. The team is competitive in nearly every game (a far cry from my undergrad years in the 1990s), and our new AD has made the football program his focus. To make this switch now to FCS would be a mistake.

Fred June 18, 2010 at 4:16 pm

Cfo, Agreed. Kent should not let Akron be the only school in N.E. Ohio that plays in D-1. Kent State has been recognized as having one the the most efficient, fiscal responsible athletic departments in the U.S.A. Kent State HAS to be doing something right? I also reject Bucknut assertion that KSU is not a research university.

Flash 1982 June 19, 2010 at 3:21 pm

If Kent State dropped to FCS they could no longer stay in the MAC. All sports which earn championships awarded in the MAC must be Division I. Drop in football; no longer a member of MAC!

Fred June 19, 2010 at 3:38 pm

Good point Flash, never thought of that aspect. When Akron University joined the MAC in 1990?, only then did Akron become a full fledged member. Kent State is a very successful member of the MAC since 1953? They need to stay there. Period!!!

Let's go Bucks! June 20, 2010 at 10:35 am

Flash 1982,

I don't understand the motivation to stay in the MAC. It's not a very strong league. You could move to Horizon and still compete in all of your small budget sports. Not to mention the basketball competition would be far better. Your football could play in the MVC.

I enjoy your fervor for your school, but you guys are the minority. Money talks. As I said before, many of the big time donors at Kent are ready for the drop and the increase in competitiveness it will bring.

Either way, good luck this season!

Fred June 20, 2010 at 12:32 pm

Bucknut, Remember Marshall being a member of the MAC? I distinctly remember the A.D. of Marshall telling the HOF Luncheon crowd in Canton several years ago that Marshall would like to be known for more than a "football" school. To paraphrase, Marshall needs to win more championships other than football. What happen next? Wham….Marshall changes to a "higher profile" conference. What happen next? Nothing! No championships, no nothing!!! Marshall promptly destroyed natural rivalries with Ohio and Miami. Even KSU! (it`s called the Marshall syndrome, Akron may have that same affliction because they want to play on a "bigger stage".)
Kent St, Akron, Ohio, Miami, Toledo, BG are perfect fits for the MAC. It`s all about money? Kent joins the MVC. How are you going to get the team there? Buses? I can see the natural rivalries with Northern Iowa, Creighton, Drake, Wichita State. Last time I checked I don`t think WSU or Creighton HAVE a football team!? Kent leaving the MAC? Uhhhhhhhhh, don`t think so.

cfoflash99 June 20, 2010 at 10:34 pm

The MAC is not a "big budget" conference. But that's irrelevant because you're judging it for something it's not trying to be. It's like watching CSI and saying "well, that show wasn't very funny". It's not trying to be!

Moving from the MAC to the MVC (or other FCS conf) is not going to help us win a championship. It might help our competitiveness in football, but we have no better chance to win a national championship in basketball whether we are in the MAC or the MVC. Baseball? We already have (arguably) the best program in this region of the US. And so it goes for the rest of our sports.

Phil July 29, 2010 at 1:46 am

If all of the MAC universities moved to the FCS they would be far better off. The current situation is ludicrous for anyone that sees it from the outside – as I do living in New England and having gone to Kent State. The MAC schools are all regional universities that by definition are not FBS schools and will never be allowed in a BCS bowl. Case closed, not all Division 1 schools and leagues are equal. You are all kidding yourselves if you think it elevates their stature nationally. On the other hand, there are great national research flagship universities like those in the CAA from New England and the Mid-Atlantic and the Ivy league that play in the FCS. At the end of the season there is a meaningful championship tournament which is much more interesting than the 30+ meaningless exhibition bowls with corporate names and half empty stands. There is only 1 game for the national championship and the MAC will never be in it. Sure it is unfair, time to move on.

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